Anonymous asked: Hey, copperbadge, you know a lot about Clint Barton. I seem to recall that Clint made the claim at one point that the draw on his bow was, like, 200 pounds or something completely ridiculous like that. Is that true?
I think so. I haven’t read the book personally, at least I don’t think, but according to Wikipedia he had a 250-pound draw on his bow. The citation to go with this was typically, for comics, cryptic:
Gruenwald, Mark; Layton, Bob (1983). Till Death Do Us Part. Hawkeye 1 (4).
That ought to give you a start in looking. I’m no expert but as I understand it, 250lb draw on a bow is rifuckingdiculous.
A lot has been made of the fact that Clint, especially in the film, has really terrible form, but I think that’s pretty accurate — he learned from a carnie, for god’s sake. Imagine how good he’d be if he’d had proper training. :D
Wasn’t it a plot point at one comic where some villain picked it up and was like ow ow ow fuck ow i can’t make this thing move ow
Yeah, it was the last bit in the last issue of the first Hawkeye four-part miniseries, the one where he meets Mockingbird. He’s used the sonic arrowhead to break them out of the villain’s deathtrap, and the villain is all like “never mind without your bow you’re still just a guy coz I am so villainous I shall kill you with your own weap-OW OW OW” - I think that’s also the bit wehre he mentions the poundage of the draw.
So I’m no expert (The draw on my bow is a pathetic 25lbs for the moment) but the experts at a panel I attended had a lot to say on the subject of draw strength. Apparently there were all of these historical references to English archers being able to fire longbows over a mile and the calculated draw strength necessary for that kind of distance was well over 100lbs, so most historians took it with a grain of salt and a health appreciation for the fact that the French had a reputation to uphold and it looked a lot better on them if they got their asses handed to them by guys who were just too damned far away to stick with a spear okay, geez!
It WAS, however, pretty well documented that it was required by law for all Englishmen to spend at least an hour a day practicing with their bow so you’ve got to imagine that there were some pretty epic arms on those dudes.
Well apparently they found a sunken English ship that just so happened to have a bunch of longbows packed into barrels so tightly that they were completely preserved from the salt water. A bunch of experts restrung a few with period accurate materials and tested the draw strength. I think the average was 130 something pounds (it’s been a year since I was at the panel) but the highest draw was over 200lbs and when they shot it, the arrow landed over a mile away. Thus it was proven that the English Longbowmen were badasses with biceps the size of watermelon and the French weren’t exaggerating for effect (This time at least, I can’t vouch for the rest of history.)
Anyway, bottom line is that a 200lb draw is WAY beyond the capabilities of the modern archer but not impossible, and given Clint’s dedication to his art and the fact that he’s been an archer since he was a child (About the age young English boys would start to learn, I imagine) and practiced religiously… He’d have to make his own bows, or have them specially made, but given his history as a fletcher it is hardly out of the realm of possibility that he would have such a high draw.
… And that is my two cents and half-assed history lesson for the day.
Book Burning Memorial
'In the center of Bebelplatz, a glass window showing rows and rows of empty bookshelves. The memorial commemorates the night in 1933 when 20,000 “anti-German” books were burned here under the instigation of Goebbels. There's a plaque nearby that says something like “Where they burn books, they will also burn humans in the end.” '
Interesting but rarely mentioned: most of the content burned that night came from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (institute for the science of sex) headed by Magnus Hirschfeld. The institute and Hirshfeld himself were some of the first to openly campaign for the right to have sex with someone of the same gender, the right to transition if you did not identify with your birth sex and for the general acceptance of queer people. The team had already performed the first SRS operations in Germany and in addition, the institute advocated sex education, contraception, the treatment of sexually transmitted diseases, and women’s emancipation.
Photographs of the night of the book burning are plastered across history books world wide, but the queer movement that was destroyed that night often goes unmentioned.
reblogging again for that^